The dust is starting to settle on the Unite the Right Rally in Charlottesville that happened on August 12. As anyone reading this probably knows by now, all did not go as planned. There was to be no violence. We did everything legally, and everything we could to prevent violence. The fact that it happened is not at all our fault. The constitutional free speech rights of our people were violated, and the violence that ensued—with the left attacking us and us fighting back in self-defense—is the most probable cause of the car crash which the left would like to call a premeditated terrorist attack. That’s obviously hogwash. Video evidence proves the car was attacked by counter protesters before the driver hit the gas, and the local prosecutor—even with common practices of over-charging and the political atmosphere which encourages him to charge as severely as he can—obviously doesn’t think it was premeditated domestic terrorism or he would have charged first degree.
Never the less, our enemies—both on the left and right—have been trying to convince us that this was a massive failure. Mainstream media coverage has been so false and unjust that it is shocking, even to those of us who have long taken for granted that the MSM has a vicious anti-White bias. But those who are trying to discourage us by telling us that it is over, that the Alt-Right and White Nationalism brands are ruined, that people now think we are all violent Nazi/Supremacist thugs, are wrong.
Although, like everyone else, I was shocked and dismayed to see what had happened, and to see the unfortunate car crash being used in an attempt to assassinate our characters to the public, what has emerged—particularly in recent polls—is stunning and gives much reason to rejoice. I know from personal experience, that Charlottesville was a catalyst for conversation about White rights issues, White Nationalism, the Alt-right, and anti-White violence. The polls suggest that Charlottesville, inspite of—and perhaps even because of—the media’s anti-White narrative, has boosted our movement to prominence in new ways. After all, we trended on Twitter afterwards for like two solid days.
If you want to explore some firsthand accounts of the rally, here are some good ones to start out with (skip ahead for a discussion of polling results and what they can tell us):
So, to those polls:
The First Nationally Representative Polls on Public Opinion on Pro-White Ideals as a Movement:
A little while back, I did a series at this blog about trying to use attitude surveys to gauge the general public’s acceptance of pro-White ideals. How many people, I asked, hold or are likely to be open to embracing, White Nationalism? I worked through a number of different survey results to come to the conclusion that we were on solid ground and would likely have a strong base of support if we could just reach out to these people with our message. Take at look at these two blog posts here and here.
There, I mentioned that our movement was not really big enough to have any meaningful data come out of nationally representative surveys that asked people directly about pro-White ideals in the context of our movement. In other words, what do people think of a pro-White movement and would they support one? Although I noted a poll on what people thought the Alt-Right was, I pointed to the fact that this poll wasn’t all that helpful for a couple of reasons. I pointed out that, as we gained prominence, polls would likely come out that asked people about us directly, but that hadn’t happened yet.
Well, Charlottesville has created the environment where pollsters are now paying attention to us. And the results are exciting. I’m going to go through the two main polls and their findings here:
Respondents in a Huffington Post/YouGov Poll were asked:
“Thinking about the political positions of white nationalists who attended the rally in Charlottesville, do you think. . .”
Overall (this includes Democrats and non-Whites) 4% said the White Nationalists were “mostly right”, and 21% said “they went too far, but they have a point,” a further 25% were unsure. Only 50% picked the answer “mostly wrong.”
Think for a minute about what this means: a full 25% at least think that White Nationalists have a point. Put this together with the fact that these people had just been asked of their impression of the car incident, and 63% of them thought it “counts as an act of terrorism” meaning many of these people when they chose the answer that White Nationalists “went too far” were probably thinking about the violence, NOT that White Nationalists “go too far” in our ideological beliefs.
Arguably, people who chose to say that White Nationalists “have a point” could be said to be sympathetic to White Nationalism, while those who chose the answer “mostly right” probably ARE committed White Nationalists. So while the number of committed White Nationalists in this poll is small (4% total—not really a surprise there), the number of sympathizers is large: together, 25% of the WHOLE COUNTRY could be said to be sympathetic to White Nationalism.
Moreover, ONLY 50% chose to characterize our beliefs as “mostly wrong”. Remember: this is NOT a poll of Republicans, conservatives, or Whites. This is 50% of the WHOLE COUNTRY. Only 50% of the whole country is convinced that White Nationalists are “mostly wrong”. That means 50% of the country is either sympathetic or open to becoming so.
Additionally, 20% of the total do NOT think the car incident was an act of terrorism, with 13% unsure.
When it comes to condemning “the White Nationalist violence in Charlottesville” 22% of the total population think it is either “not very important” to condemn it (13%) or “not at all important” (9%). And only 51% think it is “very important”. The remaining 27% said “somewhat important.”
Then, the pollsters switched gears and asked about condemning “KKK, Neo-Nazis and White supremacists” in Charlottesville. I have noticed over the last year that an increasing number of people are recognizing that there is a difference between White Nationalists and White supremacists/Neo-Nazis, etc. so this change of terms could be important here: 6% of people total said that “President Trump should not have condemned these groups at all.”
If you break it down and look at the people we are really aiming to get our message too, the picture gets even better:
Among Whites: 5% chose “mostly right” and 24% chose “have a point”, which comes to 29% of Whites who are sympathetic to White Nationalism.29%! Only 51% of Whites chose “mostly wrong” leaving a further 19% (yes, there is a missing % somewhere, it is missing in the dataset itself) who are “unsure” and thus open to becoming sympathetic. Basically half of Whites are at least open to becoming sympathetic to White Nationalism, and over a quarter already are!
While 65% of Whites think the car incident was terrorism, 22% don’t, with 13% unsure.
22% of Whites think it is either “not very important” to condemn White Nationalists over Charlottesville (15%), or “not at all important” (7%), while 52% think it is “very important.” Only 4% of Whites thought that Trump should not have condemned “KKK, Neo-Nazis and White supremacists” groups at all.
Somewhat shockingly, this is the lowest score of all four racial categories, with the highest being Blacks, at 14%. The only thing I can figure is that many Blacks and maybe Hispanics (9%), and Other race respondents (6%), thought that the answer referred to Antifa (i.e. that Trump should not have condemned Antifa at all) rather than Nazis, et al.
Among Republicans: 7% said “mostly right”, 35% said “have a point”, and only 35% chose “mostly wrong,” while the remaining 23% were “unsure” and open. This means that 42%—approaching half—of Republicans are sympathetic to White Nationalism: 42%!
Moreover, just slightly over a third chose “mostly wrong”, meaning that we have reached a tipping point with Republicans such that there are now more Republicans sympathetic to White Nationalism, than there are Republicans who are against it. In other words: we White Nationalists have all but won over the Republican party in a political sense (we still have lots of work to do of course, since political sympathy does not always translate directly into ideological commitment, but still): More Republicans are now with us, than against us.
Additionally, just 52% of Republicans think the car incident was an act of terrorism, while 35% think it was not.
26% of Republicans think it is either “not very important” to condemn White Nationalists over Charlottesville (15%), or “not at all important” (11%), while just 39% think it is “very important.” Only 4% of Republicans thought that Trump should not have condemned “KKK, Neo-Nazis and White supremacists” groups at all.
Among Independents: 5% said “mostly right”, 16% said “have a point,” but less than half—47%—chose “mostly wrong,” with 32% “unsure.” Among independents we clearly have more work to do (only 21% overall are sympathetic), but the way is open if we work wisely and get our message out: 53% of independents are at least open to hearing our views and changing their minds.
As to the car incident: 58% of Independents think the car incident was an act of terrorism, and 17% think it was not, with 25% unsure.
27% of Independents think it is either “not very important” to condemn White Nationalists over Charlottesville (16%), or “not at all important” (11%), while 48% think it is “very important.” Only 3% of Independents thought that Trump should not have condemned “KKK, Neo-Nazis and White supremacists” groups at all.
Among Democrats: This is a group we don’t have any reason to seriously pursue or think would sympathize with us, but a surprise take-away from this poll is that 21% of Democrats say White Nationalists “have a point” and only 62% chose “mostly wrong.” One might have expected upwards of ¾ of Democrats to choose that answer, but only 62% did. While it seems unlikely that any large percentage of the undecided Democrats (17%) would ultimately decided to join or sympathize with us upon learning more about us, it is possible that some of them might.
By Age: The 65+ age bracket was actually the most likely to choose “mostly wrong” (57%), followed by ages 30 -44 (52%). The 65+ age bracket was however, also the age bracket most likely to choose “mostly right” at 7%, followed by the 45 -64 age bracket at 5%.
The youngest age bracket, the millennials (18 – 29) were actually the least likely to think it was “very important” to condemn White Nationalists in Charlottesville (40%), while 65+ were the most likely to think this (61%). A full 30% of millennials think it is either “not very important” (18%) or “not at all important” (12%) to condemn us for Charlottesville, while again, the 65+ are the worst on this: with only 19% total (14% and 5% respectively).
Are White Nationalists Right Wingers or Left-Wingers: As a White Nationalist, it seems obvious to me that we are mostly right wing, but this result has me scratching my head (and we would do well to consider it as one thing that might have held some right wing people in this survey back from giving full support to us): only a plurality of 36% of the whole country believes that White Nationalists are mostly right wing (what?!). 23% thinks we are equally likely to be right or left wing, 33% are not sure, and 7% actually thinks we are mostly a left-wing movement.
Among Whites, things look only slightly better: 40% of Whites think White Nationalists are mostly right wing, 24% think we are equally likely to be right/left, 29% are not sure, and 7% think we are mostly on the left.
Among Republicans and Independents, things are actually worse! Only 20% of Republicans, and 31% of Independents think White Nationalists are mostly right wing. 27% and 30% respectively think we are equally as likely to be right or left wing, 35% and 36% are not sure, and 6% of independents and a ridiculous 15% of Republicans think we are mostly left wing.
I’m not quite sure what to make of this. I think it is surely important, but what precisely it means I don’t know for sure. The only things I can think are that (1) it is possible people, particularly Republicans, have bought into the ideals of alt-light personalities that all identity politics is of the left, and, recognizing that White Nationalism is identity based, assume we are at least as common among the left, (2) perhaps Republicans who think that the alt-right and/or White Nationalists are more or less equivalent to Neo Nazis and/or the KKK associate us with the left since they associate socialism and the Nazis with the left, and/or, thanks to “the dems are the real racists” line and Neo-Cons like D’souza with their “the Klan was founded by Democrats” talking points, have associated us with leftists that way.
In either case, we need to address it: the left is very unlikely to become any real base of support for us. It is the right we must win over, and as long as they think we are leftists, they will be predisposed to reject us.
Now, to the ABC News/Washington Post Poll:
As a note, when ABC first published this poll, unlike the Huffington Post, they did NOT publish the full data. That is always frustrating. When I checked the next morning, they had added a link to the “full results” but when I looked at those, although they had some information that was not in the article, it was clear that they were still not the full results, as they did not break down the answers by any demographic groups or crucially by political ideology or party affiliation. Thus, unless I can get a hold of that data (which I know they have since it was mentioned for one question in the article) I will only be able to analyze the responses for the whole country here. That’s unfortunate because this poll contains some uniquely interesting questions and responses.
This poll asked people two critical questions about the Alt-right that the other poll did not, and one interesting one about Neo-nazis/White supremacists that I will cover too. First, people were asked:
“Thinking now about the movement known as the alt-right, or alternative right. Would you describe yourself as a (supporter) or as an (opponent) of the alt-right movement? Do you support/oppose it strongly, or somewhat?”
Overall, 10% said they support the Alt-right movement, with 4% strongly supporting, and 6% somewhat supporting. 41% had “no opinion.” Only 50% oppose echoing the YouGov poll where 50% said that White Nationalists were “mostly wrong.” Of those who oppose 40% strongly oppose, and 10% oppose somewhat. Unfortunately, I can’t break this down further by party, political ideology, or race, which would be very helpful. But this is fascinating news of itself:
Once again, we are talking about the whole country here, a country where Whites are just hanging in as a majority and where many of those are ideologically left-wing. And yet, 10% support us, and only 40% “strongly oppose”, with a further 41% potentially open to becoming supporters. The 10% figure may not sound like much, but it is larger than many of us would have suspected, and additionally, it seems that research indicates that 10% approval of an ideal is the tipping point at which that ideal begins to spread rapidly throughout a population and is predicted to reach majority opinion at some point. That’s right, science predicts, on the strength of this poll, that the future belongs to us: with 10% support it is very likely now that the Alt-right will gain the support of a majority of people in the country. Again, I’d really like to see what the answers were among Republicans/Conservatives because I suspect support was higher in those groups and support might spread faster among them. Who knows.
The other thing to point out in all this (this applies to answers about “White Nationalists” in the YouGov poll too) is that it has become very apparent now that many people have adopted our ideals—at least our White advocacy, opposition to White genocide, support for majority White countries remaining majority White, etc.—without even realizing that they are our ideals. These people agree with us without realizing it. Our ideals have spread much faster than the labels used for our movement. Thus many people have adopted pro-White ideals without considering themselves Alt-Right or White Nationalist, and without realizing that these same ideals are the ones we are fighting for. This state of affairs means that in reality, it is likely that—among White Republicans and Conservatives at least—support for us recorded in polls like this actually lags significantly behind support for our ideological platform. In other words: these polls likely significantly underestimate the actual number of supporters we have. I suspect that, if everyone out there could be made to understand exactly what the Alt-right and White Nationalism stands for, many more would realize that they actually support us after all.
This forms a nice introduction into the next important question that was asked:
“As far as you know, do you think the alt-right does or does not hold neo-Nazi or white supremacist views?”
I was very excited when I saw this, because to my knowledge, this is the first nationally representative poll to directly tap into how much of the public buys the slurs that the left has been foisting on pro-White movements for years: what percent of people really think we are Neo-nazis and/or White supremacists?
The answer (remember this is the WHOLE country): 21% is convinced we are NOT Nazis/supremacists. 39% has “no opinion”, which means two things: (a) we need to make a great effort to promote the truth about our real views to the public, and (b) not enough people still (even after Charlottesville) know enough about us to feel they really understand our beliefs. We need to fix that. Better still: only 39% of the whole country—less than half—are convinced that the Alt-right IS a Nazi/supremacist group. Less than half! Less than half of the whole country—including non-Whites and Democrats/Liberals—is convinced the Alt-right is a Nazi and/or White supremacist group. I would love to be able to break this down further.
The article does indicate that Republicans were significantly less likely to say that the Alt-right holds Nazi/supremacist views: only 19% of Republicans said this, as opposed to 57% of Democrats. What I would like most to see, is how many Republicans were convinced that we did NOT hold those views. That data is not given.
Finally, an interesting question was included in this poll about people’s actual thoughts on Neo-Nazism and White Supremacy:
“Do you yourself think it’s acceptable or unacceptable to hold neo-Nazi or white supremacist views? Do you feel that way strongly, or somewhat?”
The poll showed that overall, 9% said such views were acceptable, with 3% holding that they were strongly acceptable, and 5% saying they were somewhat acceptable. 83% said they were unacceptable, with 72% saying that strongly, and 11% saying somewhat. Only 8% were unsure.
Obviously saying views are “acceptable” is NOT the same as holding them yourself. The phrasing of this question leaves it open to multiple interpretations, so it is not entirely clear what this means. What it does NOT mean is that 9% of the public holds such views (which is fine by me, as I don’t either). People who chose acceptable could have chosen that answer for several reasons including that they believe all views should be acceptable politically in a Democracy, that they believe such views should be acceptable as long as anti-White equivalents are considered acceptable, etc. They might also say that such views are acceptable, if they believe they are morally acceptable, but simply do not hold them, and of course, they might say so if they do hold such beliefs. Similarly, the massive numerical majority that considers such views unacceptable could be speaking of moral unacceptability, but it really starts to get scary if they were speaking of democratic unacceptability. We know we have free speech problem in this country already.
One thing this question should tell us is this: as a movement we should flee from anything Nazi or supremacist like the plague: if there is one thing that will quell many people’s willingness to accept us and our ideals, it is being convinced we align with an unacceptable ideology. We cannot give tacit support to Nazi larpers. We just can’t. And we must take every opportunity to drive home to the public the truth that we are as a movement neither Neo-Nazis nor supremacists, but just people who love and want to stand up for White people.
Charlottesville is starting to look like a net positive, despite all the hatred we have gotten in the press. Hopefully we can take lessons learned here and get even stronger as we grow in the days ahead.